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Post by NachoThePikachu »

No, seriously, we need to do something with our forum. Just think about it. We can do things to keep CI alive, but are we really trying?

Making more topics sure as heck isn't doing anything, Making topics about trying to keep CI alive isn't doing anything. This topic probably looks like a joke but i've actually been thinking about it.

Both our admins are extremely inactive. We only have 2 active mods and they can only do so much to enhance the CI experience. The only thing keeping us here is, likely, force of habit from visiting so much.

There are so many things we can do to help CI become more active. Maybe adding a ShoutBox to the bottom of the forum (to fix the dead chatbox problem), adding an arcade (to give people a reason OTHER than just discussion to visit), having contests or anything to make people want to come online instead of doing so because you can't help but click on that bookmark sometimes.

We should ask to promote Fox/Mamkute to admin or something. Not only because the two are good moderators, but because that way we could actually have people to ask things about the forum. "Could you add this section to the forums?" "Can you add this item to the shop?"

A faulty administration committee is a faulty forum. Don't get me wrong, I love CI, but where are Mooncow and JMT when we need them?

Maybe i'm just overthinking things, or maybe i'm a bit overambitious, but I think it can be done. It should be easy, even! I run a tiny tiny forum hosted by freeforums (that isn't even premium) and I have an arcade on it. I'm not even good with coding but I slapped that sucker on and watched as Capt kidnapped all the highscores ;u;

I dunno. What do you guys think? I know, i'm probably just a silly lil gal who wants to see a chao forum blossom to life again. But if you really did want to keep CI alive, do you think you would try reaching out to the admins? Do you agree/disagree with the suggestions i've given? Should we "take over" CI? Would you like to see things like an arcade or a shoutbox added to CI? Any other alternative ideas you have that you want to share? Lets hear them.

As a community, I ask you to discuss. :3
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Mooncow actually said something about streaming games with Chao on Twitch, somewhat recently like, at the end of last month even.

Also, like I said the last time we had a thread about this place dying/being dead, the day I actually make Chao Adventures will be the day CI comes back from the dead.
(I'm 90% sure an action/plot-based cartoon will remind people Chao exist.)

Another thing in the last thread was also having contests which you also suggested.
In other words: Somebody start that FREAKIN' art contest already! I can't because I'd enter myself.
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Sure, Mooncow drops by sometimes to give us chao news, but let's be real, is it all that significant to us anymore? Terribly sorry if that sounds rude, but personally, I haven't gone to watch those chao breeders on twitch at all. I haven't clicked the link, even. ^~^""
I just feel like he could be doing more, but since he's busy and the one he assigned to do the tasks of administrating the forum while he couldn't is super dead inactive, we should just ask for someone else who is more active to take on the role.

Edit: and no, i'm not saying we should replace mooncow, i'm saying we should ask if he could promote another user (Fox/Mamkute) to admin/jr admin as well so we have an active admin. ouo"

And sure, CI has sunk so deep that it's probably too late, but I was hoping that maybe a simple change like another new admin would help get the gears turning again. Even if it hardly does anything, or nothing at all, I would like to see what happens if we really try.

I don't want this to just seem like another "let's do things that will keep CI alive" topic (despite the fact that it really is) but I want to see something done on the FORUM itself rather than just from the users throwing out new topics. I want to see changes to the forum, maybe, that could spark a little activity. Yes, I am repeating a few ideas that were previously suggested, but really, that's not my point for creating this topic.

We gotta digggg deeperrr
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In other words, you're dyeing a sheep's wool red and claiming it's a new breed of sheep to get people interested in it this time. BRILLIANT!
But then we're actually gonna make it genetically different somehow. Eventually.

Personally I don't think we've fallen too far down the rabbit hole just yet.

But, the best we've done at this point is Retro's "Gotta keep up discussion guys." threads.
The real question is "What is strong enough to fix this problem for good?"

I definitely can't think of anything. But, I don't think of my best ideas very fast.
Something's definitely there though.
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Let's all join the CI steam group and play video games together.

Eh? EHHH?
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what about those that dont use steam

will we be left behind???
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Yes, but you're all necessary sacrifices
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NachoThePikachu wrote:where are Mooncow and JMT when we need them?
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ANSWER THE QUESTION DX<

Seriously though where the heck have you guys been I mean look at us

we're going to go insane on this island and sacrifice people that don't have STEAM

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Well, this is awkward. I was planning on taking over this place after everyone died since Crash left.

Guess I just have to make roadkill out of the head of this revolution... Then CI will finally be mine and everyone who opposes me will get the Loudclaw treatment. a very romantic and juicy rough session
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I've been back on steam and been meaning to bump the tf2 topic actually. Just been lazy.

Also I see JmT fairly regularly but its not like there's this extreme need for him to be here 24/7. Not like anyone was asking those things you said as is really.
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One word: Roleplays.
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or we could go back to doing other things in our lives
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I think any intentions to "take over CI" are inherently silly. But to take the concerns seriously:

First is that we don't have any authority issues. Everyone who has power has as much as they need, and the site is clearly being watched enough to address any behavioral concerns. So there's no need to adjust ranks on the forum.

Second, and most importantly, I don't see how this is "our" forum. What about this forum belongs to any of us? Is it about how long we have spent on the site, or how much we have contributed as a poster? I mean if it were defined by how well we take care of this site, we'd have a list of new standards to suddenly fulfill. What does it mean to take care of a forum? Not certain we're hitting all the tickers, if there are responsibilities we have and don't know about.

Whose site is this then? Mooncow's. He pays for it entirely, as far as any of us know. He does not take donations, so it isn't like we are keeping this island afloat without him. However he wants his site to be run is all that should be done. He's a reasonable guy, so he'll gladly take your suggestions, but it is his site at the end of the day.

Personally I don't mind what we've become. Perhaps we've stopped being an island flourishing with life, but we can always remain a rock. If we are still a fixed structure, then whenever we see someone drift to the island looking for Chao content, we're here. If they want to try to join the site's general community, they are entirely entitled to. But we don't depend on forum activity: the site's status depends on its capacity to share knowledge about Chao and how often the site is being visisted. I don't have those stats, so I cannot say for certain.

A bigger issue may be keeping the community here. I'll always regularly visit to check on the Chao boards, but some people do need some kind of incentive. Maybe that means more forum activities. But a lot of us are also getting older and older. We won't all have the same kind of free time as we have had in the past. So death to the community may come, but it isn't like Chao Island's community seems to really stay for Chao anymore.
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The thing is, if there's say, 6 people still visiting, and there hasn't been a new post for 4 months in the non-Chao sections, and it's been 6 months on the Chao sections,
it's possible that no one will even ask questions, because it looks like no one even still cares enough to answer their question in the first place.
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I'm not sure what you're getting at to be honest. All of the sections, for the most part, have been posted in at least a few times this month so far. Did you mean hypothetically or something?
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Yep. I meant that hypothetically, that could happen.
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The site would have to be even longer dead than that to discourage new users registering to ask questions. My YouTube videos are many years old, and inconsistently see comments, but that does not discourage people from commenting.

If I am seeking information, and I find a very informed website, unless it is blatantly stated as being inactive, people are likely to try asking for help just to see if they can get any.

We're also speaking about this hypothetical ignoring how often the main site is being used. Long before I used the forums, I was using the site itself regularly. Many people join under a similar story. We have no reason to doubt the site's position as a fixture.
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There's answers to things that aren't on the main site, like whether or not a you can make a Chaos Chao that doesn't have animal parts on certain limbs. (This is the question I asked when I came.)

But it's possible no one will ask something like that on the forums because they're dead. And this question is so small that the answer isn't on the site.
I mean you have a Youtube, and well it's yours so someone expects someone to still check the comments.

But if no one's on a forum, then I don't know if anyone will answer my question, so I won't even bother.
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Crazo3077 wrote:Second, and most importantly, I don't see how this is "our" forum. What about this forum belongs to any of us? Is it about how long we have spent on the site, or how much we have contributed as a poster? I mean if it were defined by how well we take care of this site, we'd have a list of new standards to suddenly fulfill. What does it mean to take care of a forum? Not certain we're hitting all the tickers, if there are responsibilities we have and don't know about.
Personally, I feel that this is our chao island in the sense that we are sort of like a family, y'know? Sure, we don't pay for anything, and should chao island die we would probably miss one another, at least one person on here. I consider Mooncow to be sort of a father to chao island. He made it, but I feel that it belongs to all of us, almost like a father buying a console for his kids.

Also, an arcade would be fun, I think. And we could make a little subgroup for discussing the games within it or something. If something has a level creator and you have codes, then it could go in a topic all its own.

Chao have been gone a long time though guys, and even though I'd like sonic team to make a decent game with a chao garden, I don't think it's going to happen, and until it does, I don't think we're going to have nearly as much to talk about in the chao related sections, and we need a game like that to make our numbers as big as before, I think.

As for the non chao topics, it's not terrible anymore, it's still a bit slow, but more is going on now than when I first came back.
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chaoadventures wrote:There's answers to things that aren't on the main site, like whether or not a you can make a Chaos Chao that doesn't have animal parts on certain limbs. (This is the question I asked when I came.)

But it's possible no one will ask something like that on the forums because they're dead. And this question is so small that the answer isn't on the site.
I mean you have a Youtube, and well it's yours so someone expects someone to still check the comments.

But if no one's on a forum, then I don't know if anyone will answer my question, so I won't even bother.
I don't see how you example question would be relevant to the website. I mean did you get any answers that revealed information that seemed especially important to helping people obtain a Chaos Chao? Beyond that, we'd just be spoiling the experience. But that's a weird discussion of balancing guiding and leaving room for experience.

My YouTube channel is basically dead. A year ago I uploaded a recalibration video, and all my other public videos are four or five years old. There is basically no reason to assume I'm still using my channel. But people still comment, even with phrasing that suggests other viewers of the videos might come by the comment. That's entirely possible too: all the existing users of Chao Island disappearing and entirely new users appearing to use the site in their own unique way. As long as the web space is there, people may show up. Inactivity doesn't mean absence.
naruto_chao wrote:Personally, I feel that this is our chao island in the sense that we are sort of like a family, y'know? Sure, we don't pay for anything, and should chao island die we would probably miss one another, at least one person on here. I consider Mooncow to be sort of a father to chao island. He made it, but I feel that it belongs to all of us, almost like a father buying a console for his kids.

Chao have been gone a long time though guys, and even though I'd like sonic team to make a decent game with a chao garden, I don't think it's going to happen, and until it does, I don't think we're going to have nearly as much to talk about in the chao related sections, and we need a game like that to make our numbers as big as before, I think.
I removed for the bits I wanted to discuss, because the rest were just suggestions that would have to be made to the site's admins: we would at best get a popular vote on the situation.

The sense of family we gain on the site does not make the site our own. Meeting my friends regularly at a park doesn't make it my park or my group's park: the park still belongs to the town or private owner. We can't take over something we don't actually control. (And making a new forum has failed multiple times, since any possible creators could have an existing bias or silly drama.) Your argument is more like books belonging to their readers, which may have philosophical value, but in literal law of the land: the owner is the legal owner.

As for death of a franchise, may I point you to starmen.net or evageeks.org? Do you know what they have in common? A passion for a subject that is barely updated, but has a place in a large group of peoples' hearts. Now you could argue they follow properties that continue having releases for what is loved, but when were Chao last featured in a game? Cream and Cheese regularly reappear in the main Sonic releases. Sonic Adventure 2 was put on modern platforms only three years ago, so it isn't like the raising system is out of the public eye. We're not lacking media to give attention to: we're lacking attention to give.

Right now I only see too impasses from this vague plan to influence change on Chao Island: 1. focus on fan-created Chao content, or 2. find new content to get excited about. What's the problem with either of their plans? The first plan won't succeed because there aren't enough people being vocal about Chao to begin with, so a fan-game isn't going to get them moving any faster. The second is silly because Chao Island isn't going to change its content to appeal to a demographic that the administrators don't want to focus on. We already have lacking coverage of Chao, the other SEGA A-Life systems, and the administrators only have so much free time to dedicate.

My point is that its not a fruitful effort to think CI needs a reapproach. The site is as fine as it is going to get. The only thing we need is people, and aside from advertising on other sites, what can we really expect to draw people in? We're still one of the top results for simply the "Chao" search. Get more specific and we're the first result. Chao Island is fine as a Chao site. If you want it to be something different, good luck.
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^ I actually meant it in more of a psychological sense, sorry for not clarifying.

I actually haven't heard of those, I don't go online often anymore, and when I do, it isn't looking for new forums. Good to keep all that in mind though.

That's pretty much all I've got. I don't really see chao island picking up any noteworthy speed anytime soon. I just hope it doesn't die out completely.
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cant really do much with this forum if there's not enough ppl around. you'll just be banging a pot and pan together in am empty room if you make a lot of topics with so little people. :darkwalkback:
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Hi everyone, I do share your concerns with the activity on the forum but I take a slightly different stance to the majority of you. Chao discussion has remained at a constant low for a while, and it seems the most noticeable issue is the drop in general discussion topics and chatbox activity. However a community generally grows and fades out together without something to attract people there in the first place - what was the initial attraction? Well Chao information of course (it definitely wasn't general discussion that people join for!) - the site was redesigned every few years with more information, updated forums, etc. Unfortunately this has not been the case as of late.

Crazo has taken an active interest in fully updating the Chao Island parts of the site, and I have been working on the updates he has shared with me. The forums however need an overhaul - every day i'm closer to doing a Moses and the great flood on the forums and washing it away and starting something new. It's a good time to do it as well with the low activity levels.

Most of you want to have a flourishing general forum and have no interest in the Chao parts of the site/forum - but this is our backbone. People that find the forum do it via searching for Chao information and discussion - not for off-topic chat (there are lots of other communities and forums that do this as their sole purpose, or even gaming sites about more recent franchises).

With the forum rebirth, there will be a new moderation team, and a specialised Chao research/information/help team (name undecided), since these are the two things i believe will hold Chao Island together. As mentioned in a previous post, with no new Chao games the emphasis is on community driven projects - a lot more work will be put into working with Chao game modifications (Fusions Chao Editor, Chao World Extended), Fan games (Sonic World Chao Garden, Unity 3d Chao Garden), research and tests, theories and mythbusting, artwork and stories, how-to guides, etc. This also coincides with twitch and steam streaming taking off really well and creating the ability to reach audiences not just with the game content but also with people, entertainment, and the community being able to share and watch things together - imagine something like a monthly Chao race with forums members' chao with prizes to encourage participation? Or cutest chao contests, scariest chao contests, etc. Just an idea but something along these lines isn't unthinkable.

I guess what I'm trying to say is - the forum is at an all time low, which also means the Chao community is at an all time low - but things are not out of our hands. People are still coming to Chao Island and joining the forums, which means the interest is there (however small), but there's a lot to be optimistic about. I've been away but not dead, and hopefully more people will join the refurbishment as it develops.
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Mooncow wrote:The forums however need an overhaul - every day i'm closer to doing a Moses and the great flood on the forums and washing it away and starting something new. It's a good time to do it as well with the low activity levels.
If you mean that as in completely deleting or stop hosting this forum and replace it with another, then I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm very nostalgic of this site, and to see my and everyone else's posts disappear over the span of a day would be upsetting. If that's the case however, would it be possible to maybe archive all of the old posts and threads in some way? You could argue that there's plenty of web archiving sites that do that automatically, but they're not very reliable. I've only seem them archive the front page and boards, not individual threads.
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