What can't you tolerate?

[Speeps]

The trans agenda

[retrolinkx]

^

Leave the ****posting and baiting for 4chan.

Oh wait, at this point it's hard to tell the difference.

[Goat]

^

Does that mean my long plan finally worked out?

[Nano]

Classic Retro, I guess he can't tolerate those kinds of posts.

[Vaporwave]

The trans agenda

shut up youre my girlfriend

[eblu]

people who aren't respectful of religious beliefs or the lack thereof.

you're gonna have fun here

[Lamby]

I actually take legitimate offense to this as a composer myself. I write both in and out of video games and I want to know how my work's artistic integrity becomes any less valid when applied as context for a different medium.

Spoiler:

there's a big difference to me between a video game track as beautiful and artistic as it may be and the music industry, and if you were to limit yourself to video game music in context (basically it serves the same purpose as music in the background of a horror movie and is just a component of making the game immersive) sure, we could deliberate artistic integrity within those constraints. but it does not have social or political value, it has little power to instigate subculture movements, it's not performance art, it doesn't have emotional depth when separated from it's game, and i simply cannot see how say, the earthbound soundtrack has the same intrinsic value as even a dystopian aggrotech album or mf doom or something older like joy division, and even some minimal techno without lyrics is trying to say something. and something from a sonic game definitely couldn't compare to an animal collective experience

now if you're taking up an edm philosophy and compositions influenced by gaming and making something experimental you're actually intending to be able to be legitimate music outside your game, or going a nerdcore or pc music or new age electronic like witchhouse, vaporwave, you wanna be some gaming, rap, japanese influenced act like a kero kero bonito or you do a hardcore pong-esque track, that's a totally different thing. i was more talking about mainstream game industry music, idk i'm assuming you try to take an artistic approach with it and it's more to you than most and that's great, i'd say i'd love you for trying to evolve gaming music, but when people have insisted to me that the undertale track is the same caliber as some of the best albums of the year when the most they've been exposed to is the radio and memetic songs that catch on and dad rock stick to game music only, it's very difficult to take seriously. i don't mean to diminish your talents, but it really grinds my gears in a music discussion thread or on rate your music you're legitimately exploring music and someone links something from some zelda game or nameless homogeneous basic synth orchestration #345 from whatever rpg or with a straight face calls performance art pretentious and proceeds to praise a retro midi from mega man as if in 40 years it'll be as influential to music as someone like kate bush still is. i don't really have anything objective to say, it's just that in general equating gaming music which is usually pretty simplistic to something with incredible depth i don't get unless the lines are blurred. video games need a little more time to develop to be evaluated equally with literature, acting, dance, visual art, tv, and music music, etc. now do i think your age group is capable of changing that, sure

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This is like all me btw

xoxoxo mwah

[Nano]

You basically just said "It's art, but it's not the kind of art I think is important."

[Sable]

Music is, by definition, a form of art. Of course there's objectivity as to whether it's good art or not, but it has inherent artistic value simply for existing as an expression of someone's creative desires. You can argue sociopolitical merit, sure, but those are by no means mandatory characteristics for something to possess worth.

Also, your point about video game music being able to hold as much influence as major artists is pretty outrageous if you ask me. There are literally tens of thousands of artists from indie to major corporate players who cite video game music as one of their primary reasons for becoming interested in composition to begin with, not to mention within those, the ones that seek to recreate that kind of music and their millions of devoted fans. I mean, that's Anamanaguchi's entire career and they've spawned tons of knockoffs. There are entire forums and communities devoted to discussing video game music throughout the years and the effect that it had on individuals throughout their lives. There are still kids forming garage bands because they like to jam out to Wily Stage 1 from Megaman 2, 29 years later. That's enough to call a subculture, at least in my opinion.

[Goat]

Given that some songs in games have been connected to very important events, or become anthems for the games themselves.

Video game music is a new thing, instead of songs on an album that can come and go, some songs wind up being connected to rather important events in a game. Aside from that, given the current cultural climate most people aren't going out and buying music albums anymore.

They are two threads that rely on different places to evoke their emotion and feeling from. You'd have to play the game or experience the game to really appreciate a song. Megalovania itself would have remained a song that played once on homestuck until it was used again in Undertale during the fight against the third last surviving member of the underground monsters who confronts you for being a genocidal monster and killing his friends. Without context, the song wouldn't mean anything.

Aside from all of that, if video gaming music didn't leave the effect it does on people, it wouldn't even be worth playing in a live orchestra.

[Pentagrami]

i find it ironic that you listed undertale as your example batty, given toby fox is primarily a music composer producing different kinds of experimental and evolving music which he has used to explore multiple applications for musicality before he then injected many of his pre-existing tracks with pride and consideration into undertale and then proceeded to base aspects of the game on the music itself

[Lamby]

vg influenced music is something a little different, as i said, but toby fox being considered experimental is pretty surprising because the bulk of his work sounds like simplistic amateur work done by playing around in fl studio without formal education in production tools or music theory to me

when i say something experimental inspired by games i mean like xiu xiu's i luv abortion not i made an eloquent chiptune that sounds like a song. that track's inspiration is synthesized beats from a DS, and that's what i mean by using video game music as a true application and experimentation that says something

You basically just said "It's art, but it's not the kind of art I think is important."

yeah i did that a couple times, uwu i like when you notice me.....

but seriously, i didn't really intend to rile you guys up, or be your mother about "y do u listen to GAMES, nerds" i just don't think gaming music in general reaches a comparable worth to society as music as social commentary and a cerebral exercise... right now, a new occasional shift in design philosophy that will expand eventually and possibly change my tune aside . not saying there isn't worth to anyone. that's all i got

[Rajikaru]

i just don't think gaming music in general reaches a comparable worth to society as music as social commentary and a cerebral exercise... right now, a new occasional shift in design philosophy that will expand eventually and possibly change my tune aside . not saying there isn't worth to anyone. that's all i got

It's still a condescending opinion to have. "I don't like video game music as much as other music" is one thing, "Video game music is lightyears away from the quality of actual music" is an insult to every vgm composer in the world, as well as uninformed. There's hundreds of millions of video game soundtracks, most of which you've never listened to, so you really can't make that claim in the first place.

[BlackLuigi7]

I can't tolerate this HEAT.

[cinnamonstyx]

I also don't like conversations about what is art, this isn't why but it reminded me of a really awful philosophy club meeting i went to (it was the only one, my stoner friend Madi wanted me to go, her boyfriend yelled at me)

I also can't tolerate internet arguments anymore, I had a nervous thing over the past few years and confrontation just stress me out especially digitally which is weird.

I can't tolerate people who talk about oppression and face none, they should probably stay out of it unless it's regurgitation of facts or being used in an academic context.

I can tolerate vegan memes those are good.

[Lamby]

okay i'm gonna actually add something the topic but nova is the last of me going on about something kinda arbitrary and now patrick is sad:

Spoiler:

if only art criticism was about pleasing everyone and being perfectly objective, nova, i would agree. i'm not the kinda girl who does softball debate, doesn't mean i'm personally attacking artists, especially when if anything your age group and mine (15-20) definitely has an ability to push the envelope in ways i would have never thought to making music and writing, and when someone younger than me taught me vasts amounts about music

i have no obligation to treat art like it's value is equal to other art solely because it exists, though i'm also not saying some art has no value. i'm not arguing video game artists are all talentless hacks, that would be illogical. it's possible to acknowledge that within that microcosm of video games there is a rapidly rising ability for game composers to walk the line while thinking that in general game music has not had time to break the mold as consistently as experimental artists of non gaming music, because for every million of impressive, revolutionary gaming soundtrack, there are millions more traditional musicians who've helped usher changes in society or offer new political gains by making experiences more visible or deconstructing and critiquing society, sometimes even creating instruments in the process and making it more accessible and to me that is the ultimate application of music and at this point i cannot say the same for game music stuck in the niche microcosm of gaming that does not serve as influences on actual music like the examples i've mentioned.

now, two other people have actually argued their points and sable actually supported her argument and led me to soften my opinion a little. also not really light years i was more thinking like later this century as gaming culture musicians influence experimental projects more and more as gaming permeates different art, especially with the advent of pc and gaming culture expanding into popular culture. now if you would like to suggest some soundtracks you think would change my mind instead of, um, more or less recycling what others said, i'm open to anything

to be honest even though fox was lampooning/ribbing me, he was close to the mark, good old fox; and sable actually had a pretty insightful disagreement with me, which is why i scaled back my rhetoric. but anyway i'll leave it at, i'm open to hearing any music my opinions aren't necessarily set in stone of course and i didn't really intend to say anything about it after answering sable but i felt bad not responding to everyone

speaking of you, patrick, how can i reach you squirt i can't tolerate not catching up :c
or people feeding my pets
or people standing right in the elevator and expect my mechanical backside to squeeze through like what

back on food topic:

marshmallows, brazil nuts, snack cakes like boxed ones, regular oreos but i like those holiday special ones, bagged or greasy microwavable popcorn, caramel apples, fruit gushers, smoothies, coffee, oh and butterscotch flavoring

[chaoadventures]

I thought this topic was about food?

I can't eat asparagus. I will eat whatever else you give me. Just not asparagus.

[Pentagrami]

soda

[strawberry-boyfriend]

[removed]

[Midnite]

Not quite lactose intolerance, but dairy milk makes me extremely sick. If I need to drink milk, it has to be soymilk, almond milk, or something similar.