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eww no

that'd be a terrible decision

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Aren't special event distributions basically free DLC?
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^Event-only pokemon are essentially free disc-locked DLC that is restricted by time and/or location(More so than the whole region locking BS). The added content in the third versions is the kind of thing that would be released as a patch or DLC if it was any other game series, except that those who already bought the game cannot just get the upgrades, but must instead buy a completely new game and start from the beginning.

Sure, plenty of developers use patches as an excuse to release games before they are ready for release and DLC as a quick way of squeezing extra money out of people, but the Pokemon Franchise has been doing worse since Gen 1, yet most just accept it.

Seriously, what other game series gets away with doing the following:
Here are two slightly different versions of the game, each containing about 90% of the complete game's content. If you want to have access to 100% of the content, you have to either buy both versions or interact with anoother player who owns the other version.

We've added a bunch of patches and some new content, and release a version that comes bundled with it. If you have the initial release, you will have to buy the new version because we are not releasing the patches for the existing userbase. Oh yeah, if you waited for the enhanced version, you still need to interact with the older version for 100%.
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^This is why I've given up on Pokemon. There is no way I can possibly keep up with all the FORCED multiplayer content that each successive generation dishes out. It got old with Gen III when you had to buy seven games and two different systems to accomplish a single side quest.
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Chaos the Light Chao wrote:Also that X and Y are both axis names.

The third could be Z, which is the third dimensional axis.

3D axis on the 3DS.

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Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:an end to this version BS
Doubtful. Game Freak has said themselves they think the interaction between handheld versions is more innovative because they see inter-player integration as the future of the series, and that's all the referendum Nintendo needs to hear to give them the go ahead to continue the wonderful tradition of innovative versions (read: bleed your paycheck dry.)
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^Indeed. "Why should we make one game when we can make two games and have certain pokemon only found in one or the other! We'll earn double the money because some people will buy both! :D"

Hell, one of the movies is just like that. The only difference is a few human characters and different pokemon. |: I think they're getting a little out of hand.

I'm not the only one who finds the idea of different locations in Black/White to be utter bullcrap, right? Why the hell is there a forest in one game, and a big city in the other? Don't get me started on how unbalanced this is. White Forest is the superior version exclusive location because it allows you to catch pokemon. I got black version. I find it EXTREMELY unfair that the other version has around 50 exclusive pokemon to catch because of white forest. I don't care what Black City has. All I know is that it DOESN'T have pokemon I can catch and the other one does.

Why the hell is Opelucid city a futuristic destination (with an adult male gym leader) in one game and an ancient looking town (with a childish little girl gym leader) in the other? Black and White can't possibly take place in different points in time as the rest of the region is the same. The only real reason is because "Oh, the two games have big differences! You should buy both so you can experience it! Money money cash grab!"
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Don't hate me for this, but I like the version system. Sure, it's a scam, but I like experiencing the game twice without having to restart, and its just different enough to keep me going. But I want more differences, I don't want it to end. R/S/E made a step in the right directions with different antagonists, but then D/P/P regressed. B/W also made a step in the right direction, especially with adding new areas to the region. I'd like different map areas and different enemies, as well as different plots. That would make me happier than simply doing away with it.
They could also just combine the two versions into a bigger game and allow for different save files... That works for me...
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While I find many things I hate about that thinking, there are some things I can agree. Being how I stopped playing Pokemon after D/P/P (Which I personally thought Diamond was an amazing game in itself), I don't know much about this different region crap that keeps coming up. What I can say though, is that it's a good idea that is executed terribly and is a pretty outrageous thing to ask of a 12 year old.

I find it nice that you can get different pokemon in each version, that's pretty innovative really. It forces you to trade in order to get pokemon you couldn't otherwise get. Since not one person is going to buy a single type of the game, people can obtain different pokemon and have a reason for trading in the first place, since otherwise nobody would unless they wanted like an alakazam.

Some people, like me, updated their router and were stuck with no wi-fi in the game. Meaning we were screwed. Luckily, my brother and I had both bought different versions of the game and traded stuff. Now, if someone is an only child and has this problem then... they're screwed pretty much. They have no way to obtain any exclusive pokemon unless they find someone with that game and that they have that pokemon.

That isn't a problem now luckily, but it seems to still be an issue. I don't think that Gamefreak is TRYING to make more money with this scam, since no matter what people are going to only buy one version of the game unless they're an idiot or something. What I do think they're trying to do, is to make trading more of a thing and also have a little bit more variety to the two versions, so that way you aren't only trading since that gets repetitive.

Along with that, I researched a little into Black City and found out that in Black 1, the city is basically a money reaping place that you can get tons of money off of a day and exclusive items by battling trainers. White forest is mainly just for pokemon and that's about it. I will agree though that this doesn't make any sense and sounds pretty damn stupid, but again I think it's just suppose to keep trainers interacting with friends and other people around the world.

Overall though, the system just seems frustrating and dumb. You can do all of this, but it all depends on if you want to. What I wouldn't like to see is a varying story line in the different versions. If you do that, then you're forced to buy the other one to see what you missed out plot wise and if it's any good compared to the other one. That's a waste of money in my opinion. If they were to release only one version, the game would be fine and stuff but there'd be no reason to use the trading system or to invite others to your game because nothing cool will happen. There's no reward for it since you already have the pokemon in that version and wouldn't need to trade ever.
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Zacmac74 wrote:Don't hate me for this, but I like the version system. Sure, it's a scam, but I like experiencing the game twice without having to restart, and its just different enough to keep me going. But I want more differences, I don't want it to end. R/S/E made a step in the right directions with different antagonists, but then D/P/P regressed. B/W also made a step in the right direction, especially with adding new areas to the region. I'd like different map areas and different enemies, as well as different plots. That would make me happier than simply doing away with it.
They could also just combine the two versions into a bigger game and allow for different save files... That works for me...
I agree. That's why I have FireRed/LeafGreen, Ruby/Emerald, and Diamond/Pearl/Platinum and I don't feel that's its too repetetive. To spice it up, I always pick a different starter in each version.
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Granted, both of you who 'don't mind' are both under the age of 18 and likely got some of your games via presents so you're not under the same crunch as adult fans are.
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PinkIceFox wrote:Granted, both of you who 'don't mind' are both under the age of 18 and likely got some of your games via presents so you're not under the same crunch as adult fans are.
Actually I bought both versions myself. So ha. It's not like I have anything else to do with my money... I'd rather play Pokemon than be productive. Most of the time.
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@Fox Boy: Double dipping in regards to pokemon is more common than you might think, especially for those who lack any friends or siblings who also play Pokemon. SoulSilver and White are the only main-line Pokemon games for which I have not owned at least 2 versions, even if the second served no purpose beyond trade fodder. I am just glad that the GTS has eliminated the need to either have an IRL person to trade with or requiring trading with one's self. Then again, even without the version exclusives, the originals still forced trading: You had to trade for the other two starters(unless you had yellow), the other Hitmon, the other Fossil, the other two Eeveelutions, and the 4 pokemon that only evolve when trading. Also, most of those were one-offs, so prior to Gen 2 introducing breeding, being able to have multiple of those pick-one mons on a team required someone either giving up the one in their collection or someone restarting a file that was already through a significant portion of the game. Besides, with how much technolgy has advanced since the originals were released for the original Gameboy, the are better ways for GameFreak to encourage multiplayer interactions. I would not want to see Pokemon go full MMO, but there are plenty of things from that genre that could be implement to enhance Pokemon's own multiplayer experience. Also, I think it bad design on Nintendo's part that support for the newer Wi-Fi encryptions has be included in every game and that neither the DSi or 3DS firmware includes a compatibility layer that allows DS games to connect to router's using the newer encryptions.

@Zacmac: Personally, I would rather GameFreak stick to having storyline's that only have slight differences in dialogue or flip-floping of important Pokemon involved.. GTS has eliminated, for the most part, the desire to own the other version for the purposes of getting version exclusives, one-off "choice mons", and evolving pokemon that require trading to do so, I would hate to see the story diverge to the point that their is desire to see both stories and then end up with essentially two copies of the same game. Though you do give me an idea for a way GameFreak to revitalize the stale 2 version formula in a way that does not come accross as blatant cash grab:
You have two neighboring regions, each more massive than any previous main-series installment's map, and with more to do than any other region seen to date, while both being very different from the other.
Each game has its own set of player characters, one coming from one region, the other from the other region.
The antagonist(s) have plots that spread across both regions and leaders on par with the E4 and Champions(perhaps even making one or more the executives having infiltrated the E4 of one or both regions.
Through the individual games' stories, the player characters will beat back the antagonists' presence in their home region.
Throughout the game, you will be able to see news stories talking of your counterpart's exploits.
Near the end of the game, after beating your region's Pokemon League and exposing the antegonists who had infiltrated the League, you beat back the antegonists to their HQ, which is hidden within a massive mountain range that divides one region from the other, and who massive systems of caves, rivers, and forests is so teacherous that only Champion-ranked trainers are allowed to explore it.
Eventually, you meet up with your counterpart from the other game and fight each other mistaking them as one of the antagonists before teaming up to take down the antagonists once and for all.
Excluding some rare pokemon(such as starters and legendaries), every species of pokemon is found somewhere between the two regions, with version exclusives being being limited to an areas on one side of the dividing mountains.
For friends who have beaten opposite versions, there is a co-op feature that allow both players to explore both regions as a team.

Also, while I understand that some would buy 2 copies anyway to avoid fighting for gameplay time(I know my fiancee and I have done this a few times with really awesome games with nearly limitless replay value), it does not set well with me that GameFreak continues to maintain a 1 save per game card limit when there is not technical reason for it(Gens 1&2 barely had enough space for the 1 save and their content, but flash storage has gotten much larger and much cheaper since). Of course, if they ever did allow multiple saves, I would expect restrictions along the lines of each save must have a unique player name, is password protected, and inter-file trades being either not allowed or requiring that you beat the game first(to avoid the extra files being used as a quick way of getting all 3 starters on one's initial playthough. As for the idea of story varying by save file instead of version, I like that idea, especially if combined with the "2 Heroes, 2 Regions" idea from above
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As with the name change, here's a .gif of the Pokémon.

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Sooo... any news?
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Ooh, thanks for that. I wonder what else we'll get.

Hopefully they confirm character customization.
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On the bulbapedia forums people keep complaining about the possibility of character customization because they don't want pokemon to "turn into the Sims".

I suspect a bunch of them do not actually know what the Sims is like.
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I can't wait until mid February. Too long
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Well, CoroCoro tends to get leaked a couple days earlier than its slated release. However, most are expecting the February CoroCoro to only have little extra info, with coverage on the Genesect movie to be more prominent. We could get the revelation of the Lucario/Zoroark of Gen6 though, and little info's better than nothing.
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2 new pokemon confirmed 2/1/13
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