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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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but that is just literally letting her get away with ****ing on every topic she doesn't like that's discussed. no one said "everyone just ignore loudclaw" or "everyone just ignore rubs" people got banned for doing bad things. ignoring it will just let her get away with thinking she can do horrible things without consequence.
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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What do you want to do, Minty? Mini-mod? That's just as much against the rules. Report it in topics and ignore it, use the ignore function in chat. JmT is often in chat lately, as far as I've seen, so if there really is something that needs to be taken action against, he'd get on with it.

Seriously, there's nothing better you can do. You could tell her off, but that doesn't stop anyone. You could make a new channel and go there, but she could go there as well since no one else would stay alone with her. This is no improvement. Besides, why does it matter what she gets away with if no one can read what she says anyway? And people are usually being more of a jerk to her in topics than she is.
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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She's the only one most of us has a problem with. I'm one of the many against her.
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That's pretty sad actually, because YOU were the person everyone was against before as well. You're not any better than the people who were so much against you back then. You do realize that, right?

Maybe it'd have saved us a lot of trouble if people would complain less about "Not being able to read everything", "Not seeing the fun" and "They are so annoying gawd" and ignore people more often if you can't handle them. To prevent annoyance just takes a few mouse-clicks, but you guys either don't have the will-power to deal with someone, or you don't have the will-power to ignore someone, even though you will see people talk to no-one. I'm afraid you will have to make a choice.

Or you just don't go there at all anymore and make a private chatzy with your friends.

But the channel, no, bad idea.
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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question for you Tobi.
are you aware of the actions and words Eeveefan has done and posted in these forums and mostly chatbox?
i understand completely users start young most of the time they join this forum. but the things she has said and pulled off are unexcused. sure, we may be acting tough on her. i even talked to Triert about this in the morning, but really. i think its in best intentions Eevee is banned temporarily from the chatbox until she can show improvement on the forums.
everyone is given a second chance. a number of users know this, including me. i was banned once, and i proved improvement to Fusion and was unbanned after two months.
i really also think it's best for Eevee to take time away from live chatting with other users so she can stop being flamed/being in arguments for her safety and development. she isn't going to change over one night just to avoid being banned, and things might even get worse in the chat. she needs time away from the chat as we need time away from her in the chat.
she needs some time to mature more and show us she is as good as she strives to be. the ban should be seen more as a second chance from the community to her and a chance for her to improve.

it feels wrong of me to be saying such things as she is young, but in this communities society, the majority of us expect a certain level of maturity from other users. as sad as it is, we are only human and we can only tolerate so much. i don't think many of us want Eevee to be bullied anymore or having arguments with her, or having to redirect her. it isn't our duty to do so. ultimately, it's the moderators choice here and we should respect it. this is just my two cents on the idea.
and no, i don't agree with another chatroom channel nor do i think we should have to chat somewhere else because of one user. honestly, if Eevee has an issue with a discussion she needs to ignore it and move on in stead of flaming about it. we shouldn't have to go discuss something elsewhere because of her.
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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100% agree with Twizzly. I'll be leaving this to the mods.
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

Post by Mana »

I suggested a second channel keeping in mind the possibility that she might not be banned.

Honesty, it's either a second channel or her being chatbanned that's going to make the chatbox more peaceful.

Leaving the chatbox because of her isn't fair, and having to keep reminding yourself to add her to the ignore list whenever cookies break doesn't sound so well since not everyone is going to do this. Then you end up seeing a user argue with her and that just causes another mess of "what did she say" or you end up ignoring the people that give her attention (although will mostly be negative).

It's a mess, and it shouldn't be that way.
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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EeveFan, regardless of the things that she says that gets on people's nerves, never stops when she's asked to from what I've seen. She almost never apologizes, and always plays the victim even when she is clearly shown to be doing wrong. She cannot take constructive criticism, and thinks totally and entirely of herself. Not to mention that she is completely full of herself. Whenever people do the smart thing and add her to ignore, she badmouths and cusses them out behind their backs (funny since she calls other people immature more than vice-versa).

EeveeFan is the first user this year in which I can truly say that I hate her, actually hate her. At first, I felt bad for her. I knew that despite how childish her tendencies are, that she has feelings. But because of the fact that she refuses to listen to anybody, nor even make an ATTEMPT to listen what other people have to say, I can say with confidence that most of what is being said TO her and ABOUT her is well warranted, regardless of how cold it is. At the very least, I think she should be given a strict verbal warning to make an attempt to co-exist with the other users, and be considerate of other people's thoughts and opinions FOR ONCE.
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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am i the only one who likes when someone is horribly irritating on a website?
because it's easy to mess with them it makes things interesting. ci would be way more boring for me if it didn't have users such as eeveefan, catlovermolly and red chao

also to whoever said that loudclaw was chatbanned for godmodding was incorrect, he got chatbanned for asking for nudes from female members (which is way past being annoying)

stuff in here is extremely relevant to the topic
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Really? Pfft.

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Yeah, but it gets annoying when it results to flaming
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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also to whoever said that loudclaw was chatbanned for godmodding was incorrect, he got chatbanned for asking for nudes from female members (which is way past being annoying)
That was my fault, I wasn't too sure, so thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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@Twizzly: I do. I'm sorry, but, did I sound like I was defending her? Because I wasn't. I'm just saying that this idea is stupid, and your complaints could easily be solved with two simple clicks.

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@Mana: Like I said, no one would choose to go in the same channel with her, so you'd end up having her in the same channel as you anyway, because everyone would go to that channel. It's no solution.

And well, I don't know why your cookies break every chat session or whatever you mean, but it's either that or having to deal with it until the mods deal with it. I'm just suggesting other and better solutions. Because this isn't going to work.

And yeah, if some of you decide to engage with that user anyway, even though you hate that person, then those are being very stupid. Again, you don't have the willpower to keep her on ignore, because you DO want to know what she's saying. Isn't that a pretty stupid thing to do? Admit it.
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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Tobi, to provide an analogy.

Eeveefan ran into the chatbox and dumped buckets of rotten eggs in it, we can ignore the fact she's there but we can't ignore the fact she left rotten eggs in the chatbox. If any of us left rotten eggs, we would be mad that someone left rotten eggs there and understandably want them removed.

Eeveefan has left piles of rotten eggs in our chatbox, we just want a mod to clean up the source of the problem.
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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example:

user 1: so anyone caught that pokemon on route 14 in x/y??
(ignored by user 1) eeveefan: x and y sucks don't play it
user 2: @eeveefan: no it doesn't now shut up
user 3: seriously we don't care about your opinion
(ignored by user 1) eeveefan: idc user 1 sucks lol
user 1: ??
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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Pretty much Crash. Not everyone is going to stick to that rule, and I don't think she should be allowed to get away with all of these things. Ignoring might solve some issues, but certainly not behavioural issues. She won't improve that way.
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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Crash32 wrote:example:

user 1: so anyone caught that pokemon on route 14 in x/y??
(ignored by user 1) eeveefan: x and y sucks don't play it
user 2: @eeveefan: no it doesn't now shut up
user 3: seriously we don't care about your opinion
(ignored by user 1) eeveefan: idc user 1 sucks lol
user 1: ??
It doesn't sound like me, I'd not be putting LOL.


I actually have a better reason for there to be a second channel, the chat is too confusing for the users who don't like Pokemon/don't have the game. The channels should be "Meetings" "New Pokemon Games" " "Chao" "Other" "Older Pokemon Games" "Ponies" really. Thanks for listening to my talk. :wink:
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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I agree with those suggesting a ban. Eevee, please, PLEASE, take some responsibility.
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

Post by Chaolin112 »

But for all the time i've been around, which is over a year now, we've never, never needed a new chatbox channel. Now Eevee comes around and we suddenly do? To me it seems clear the problem is with her then. Just sayin'
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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i haven't been around in the chatbox much since eevee joined but during the time that i have, it's been a complete cluster****

putting her on ignore doesn't help much because there's always others who don't ignore her and then you see them arguing with her. it's not like a single-case incident, it's a constant thing. someone is literally always arguing with eevee, and she's almost always the one who starts it. she has a problem with like, every single user on this entire site and tries to police what they talk about to the point of absurdity. she's a huge control freak, and a hypocrite at that. she flings insults at people non-stop and flames constantly, but when she's called out by other users or moderators, she tries to play the victim card and usually gets off easy. it's really tiresome, especially when nobody can talk about what they're interested in without starting a huge fight.

i don't think the solution is to make a new channel, but rather, to ban eevee until she shows some maturity.
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EeveeFan wrote:I actually have a better reason for there to be a second channel, the chat is too confusing for the users who don't like Pokemon/don't have the game. The channels should be "Meetings" "New Pokemon Games" " "Chao" "Other" "Older Pokemon Games" "Ponies" really. Thanks for listening to my talk. :wink:
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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SkyGinge wrote:
also to whoever said that loudclaw was chatbanned for godmodding was incorrect, he got chatbanned for asking for nudes from female members (which is way past being annoying)
That was my fault, I wasn't too sure, so thanks for clearing that up.
Look I did that ONCE. A LONG

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TIME AGO

I was banned for it, then I was allowed back.
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Re: Why we need a secondary chatbox channel.

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EeveeFan wrote:
Crash32 wrote:example:

user 1: so anyone caught that pokemon on route 14 in x/y??
(ignored by user 1) eeveefan: x and y sucks don't play it
user 2: @eeveefan: no it doesn't now shut up
user 3: seriously we don't care about your opinion
(ignored by user 1) eeveefan: idc user 1 sucks lol
user 1: ??
It doesn't sound like me, I'd not be putting LOL.


I actually have a better reason for there to be a second channel, the chat is too confusing for the users who don't like Pokemon/don't have the game. The channels should be "Meetings" "New Pokemon Games" " "Chao" "Other" "Older Pokemon Games" "Ponies" really. Thanks for listening to my talk. :wink:
i think this post of Eeveefan's says enough about her behavior.
she just pretty much said she'd say everything to other users in Crash's example except "lol".
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*Eeveefan
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